February 15, 2014

Ladner Letter – 2: A Buddy’s Thoughts on Point Grey Road

Another letter from a buddy of Peter Ladner.

I’ll say this: Peter Ladner’s buddies are a literate bunch.  They have no hesitation in writing him extensive letters with their thoughts.  And since the streets in his neighbourhood are now so quiet these days, he can consider them in peace.

So Peter,
Today must be a day of celebration for you. You have achieved something that you and your Vision Vancouver allies have dreamed of for some time now. The closure of Point Grey Road took effect today.
I am sure that you will guffaw when I tell you how I feel about it, but let me tell you, this is a day of mourning and being filled with a great sense of loss. Today and in the past few weeks, as I saw the traffic signs advising of this sad change, I vacillated between great anger and a deep sadness and depression.
The Vancouver that I knew, has been lost.
Special privileges for the elite few, in this case, residents and cyclists who disdain the use of the established 3rd Avenue cycling route, have replaced the democratic process that we used to cherish. You, of course, fit into both of those beneficiary categories.
The unique access route to the west side that was unfettered by red lights at every single block, has been lost. All of the traffic that flowed east and west along this road for over 70 years, about 11,000 cars per day according to the newspapers, will now be shoved up to 4th or Broadway, after they have waited for the new 3rd Avenue light, needed by you and the privileged few that still get to use PGR in order to get onto MacDonald.
As a result of all the pedestrian lights along both 4th and on Broadway, necessary as they may be, the pollution levels on those roads, and the entire area, will increase, as a greatly increased number of cars are constantly stopping and starting, giving rise to much more pollution as a result. Commuting times will increase, though fortunately not for me, as I don’t commute anymore.
As we drove over to West Vancouver this morning, we could not miss the “Local Residents Only” signs that were posted along every street along 4th Avenue, including yours. Later this day, I went down to the marina, and saw the same thing along Alma.
You must be thrilled!! You now live in one of the most elite parts of Vancouver!  You would never have achieved that up at Cambie and 21st, living among the ordinary people!
Vancouver is becoming more of an elitist town than it ever was. Point Grey Road is now available only to the locals and those fit enough to get there by bicycle or on foot. Aging in Vancouver will mean exclusion from those places that we were always able to enjoy in the past; but no more.
Where will this end? Parking along PGR in front of the park west of Alma has been reduced to less than half of what it was. A separated bike lane has been added on a quiet street that already had speed bumps that kept traffic out or down to a very low speed, so surely cycling there did not pose a hazard. Overnight parking is no longer allowed there, so if I want to take friends along for a sailing weekend, they can no longer come by car. Taxi rides in from Surrey or Abbotsford? Maybe not, as not everyone is in the elite class that can afford that.
Maybe we should close Stanley Park Drive as well? That would be a great bike route.
Exclusionary and elitist politics make for a mean city, and that is where Vancouver is going. You have been supportive of this type of thinking, at least privately in our discussions, and I suspect you have spread those ideas elsewhere, so I suspect that you share the blame for this sad development.
In the upcoming civic election, I will support, financially and with my time, those who dare to propose to reopen PGR and to return Vancouver to a civil city that can be enjoyed by all of its residents, and those who must pass through to partake of its’ amenities.

The most effective play, whether you’re the elite or the average guy, is the one where you hold the Victim Card.

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  1. The biggest complaint I have about this is the incredible amount of money these clowns in city hall fell compelled to spend on bicycle paths that does nothing to improve the flow of traffic for working people which = commerce. Bikes don’t bring the flow of goods and services, yet the privileged feel that its OK to punish the working class all for the sake of non existent safety issues along PGR.

    The movie “Falling Down” with Michael Douglas is what many commuters must feel like these days. Union workers taking 9 months to re-jig Burrard and Cornwall – seriously? Half the time I see 4 workers standing around and 1 guy actually doing something. The whole
    effort and make work projects are simply a joke. Driving around Vancouver is pathetic. Constant blockages, interruptions and most the time nothing is being worked on. City crews block roads and there are ZERO crews working on the roads. Why?

    Take a visit to Australia and there you will find efficiency of construction, signage and, yes, including bike paths. Its as if Vancouver is run by a bunch of idiots.

    We have long been a joke around the world for its lack of left turn bays, no round-a-bouts and ZERO timed lights on any of our thoroughfares. Why? Why is there money for PGR to Burrard rejigging, yet they have not spent any effort to increase traffic efficiency anywhere. They make things worse, not better for commerce.

    Timed lights and no left turns during rush hour makes sense but for Vision, its simply spend spend spend on bike paths with no regard for keeping a lid on property taxes. It wouldn’t be so bad if 4th had all the proper elements; No left turns except at main intersections, left turn bays, and keeping all the lights timed to keep stop and starts to a minimum.

    City hall certainly lacks vision when it comes to traffic planning and efficiency of our roadways bug all too willing to put Chip Wilson high on their priority list.

    Shame on vision for their arrogance and short sighted efforts.

    1. The only part of the Letter #2 to Ladner that is correct: all you commuter motorists who sped along residential Point Grey Road because it had no lights or stop signs to slow you down, and you did not abide by the 30K speed limit, your free ride at the risk and sacrifice of the residents and recreational users of the area is gone. Point Grey Road is closed to you. And about time, too. The major arterials, with stop signs, pedestrian crossings, traffic lights, advance left turn lanes, traffic cameras, and other speed and volume control measures is exactly where you belong.

      1. The arrogance of your statement is too telling. PGR HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ARTERIAL – as long as I’ve lived here which is more than 30 years. People who live along this road NEW THAT. So what you advocate is to push cars into other roadways and add to the congestion. What about the people along Blenheim who now have all the residents adding to their streets. You have fallen into a scam perpetrated by less than 1% of the populace who thinks this is a good idea.

        It wouldn’t be so bad if city planners made major arteries more efficient, but this only adds to the frustration of the commute. Bile lanes serve to increase traffic, increase starts and stops and adds to CO2 / global warming. You bikers are all a bunch of NIMBY fools who probably were not born or raised in this city that you are destroying.

        Calling this Chip Wilson drive is the only thing that makes sense about this closure.

    2. Shepard, your world seems awfully tiny.

      The public road system in Vancouver tots up to over 40 square kilometres of land. If 40 km2 of land was converted from dead asphalt to higher value land use such as housing, then you could build another 107,000 single family homes worth $138 billion at Vancouver’s current prices. Perhaps $250 billion if you went multi-family.

      Your comment makes me wonder whether you would advocate bulldozing block-wide swaths through existing neighbourhoods for freeways (this was actually proposed in the 60s), or filling in the ocean to make more road space, if ever so temporary, for the “more efficient” flow of traffic you so desire.

      The fact remains that 2/3rds of the road capacity is absorbed by single occupant cars, not commercial traffic or transit which requires far less space. Many are now advocating walking, cycling and transit over driving one’s SUV to every minor function and therein freeing up more road space for the real commercial traffic you cited as a rather flaccid proxy to make a contradictory point about increasing our already sky high levels of car dependency.

      Closing a short length of a narrow, non-arterial road and using the space to double the size the pocket parks on PGR and afford greater non-vehicular public access to the waterfront has, in my view, much greater value and utility than keeping it as a two-lane Range Rover speedway.

      It is a far less costly option than leaving the road open and buying up all the millionaire’s properties to create a continuous public waterfront park, which in an ideal world would have been done 30 years ago in the name of the common good when land was orders of magnitude cheaper.

      Chip wouldn’t have had a chance to gain a toe hold.

  2. That’s a great letter. Might we know who the author is?
    Point Grey Road is now an erie place. The silence and stillness is such that one wonders if some strange contagion had infected the city and emptied it of its inhabitants. And 3rd avenue is still curiously used by commuting cyclists, rather than PGR. Weird, isn’t it?

    1. E. P. Ford, what utter nonsense you are spouting! Closed-to-commuter motorists, Point Road is now bustling with pedestrians, cyclists, runners, wheel chairs, dog-walkers, kids playing ball, skateboarders, local motorists, etc., at all hours, even in the rain. You seem to have your words mixed up; there is nothing eerie about Point Grey Road now, other than dim lighting in the evening, which is soon to be upgraded by the City. What you are not yet used to is that Point Grey Road is now a SAFE street for all users; prior to the closure, it was an obstacle course of critical mass congestion and accidents.

      1. I’m sorry Susan, but I have yet to see the bustling crowds you speak of – and I am there everyday. Yesterday during the afternoon rush hour(4:30) I saw two cyclists and one dog walker along the stretch of road from Blenheim to Alma and given that one of those cyclists was dressed in a weekend warrior’s day-glo spandex, I suppose there was really only one commuter. Perhaps I should begin taking photographs to document the phenomenon.

        1. At 4:30 all the commuters probably hadn’t reached Blenheim to Alma, or maybe they work until 5pm.

          Clocks. how do they work?

      2. I saw a crowd of pedestrians and cyclists (more peds than cyclists) when I rode it a few days back. I also had to go around a construction barricade to access it at MacDonald so it may be worth waiting until construction is over before comparing volumes with 3rd.

      3. Susan, PGP is a joke. This roadway was one of the fewest accident areas in the entire city. 4th and McDoanld THE 3RD HIGHEST – You are being fed propaganda so that Chip can have a quiet street, end of story.

  3. The only “exclusionary and elitist” street and city design is the one that demands citizens plunk down $thousands on a depreciating asset, with ever-more-expensive and poisonous fuel, plus insurance, maintenance, repair costs.

    I want whatever this idle fogey is smoking.

    1. Yes, I’m sure you haven’t been in a car for many years. Public transportation is great…. for other people.

  4. E. P. Ford: I am on Point Grey Road daily for extended periods of time, not just commuting through for a few seconds like you. I have been documenting the activity on the road for years, as has the City. Indeed, the City has been monitoring the area before, during and after the closure, including counting the numbers and types of users. The counting has been done both by automatic cable counters as well as hand-held manual counters, photographs, video, and written descriptions, all of which are a tad more reliable than your few seconds of biased observation. YES, please DO provide photographs and post for all Vancouverites to see, as has already been done on this site and others; to date, the posted photos all contradict your claims of little to no activity on the road. Maybe you should take a look at them.

    1. What an idiot this EP Ford is! Point Grey Road is not yet open to cycling traffic as the City is still working on finishing the intersection at macdonald, cornwall and point grey rd. EP will be a perfect member of the new vancouver tea party and a contributor to fox news!

  5. ‘….if I want to take friends along for a sailing weekend, they can no longer come by car. Taxi rides in from Surrey or Abbotsford? Maybe not, as not everyone is in the elite class that can afford that.’

    Rather hard to sympathize with people (who apparently aren’t elitist) popping off for sailing weekends not being able to park. Perhaps they don’t realize there’s 7 buses a day from Abbotsford taking 75-90 minutes, costing $9? And I’m fairly sure Surrey still has some transit too.

    If that’s not convenient enough for these jolly sailors they can always park somewhere else and bike. When taking dinghy courses at Jericho I used to bike 6km each way with my wetsuit, PFD etc, and that was along the scary 3rd Ave route. Now there’s a safe route they can use!

    1. Or they could park in the Royal Vancouver Yacht Club parking lot. Is it the position of the anonymous letter writer that the city is obliged to build free parking lots for his yacht club guests?

  6. Oh Jeeze — most of vancouver is paved over, and people can’t stop complaining about setting aside a pleasant *level* road to cyclists. Has anybody that keeps pointing to the established 3rd Avenue bike route ever actually tried to ride on 3rd Avenue? That grade is so steep — nobody would consider it for a family bicycle outing to Jericho Beach. I rode PGR to the beach the other day — give it time — it will become the go to family bike ride for the whole city.

    1. Alas, Peter, the naysayers speak only of what they do not know; in ignorance, they decry the benefits afforded them by the City on Point Grey Road, not having even experienced them before complaining (ie. fearing phantoms).

  7. I’m not rich, relatively speaking.

    I rent a small room in Burnaby. I ride the bus. ELITIST!

    But time and time again, it seems like it’s the yachters and the Escalade drivers who have the biggest mouths and feel the most victimized by marginal changes. I think when you’ve had everything for so long, it’s hard to let even a little go. When things don’t go your way, democracy is being subverted.

  8. Here is the letter I wrote to the Mayor:

    Dear Gregor, I am writing to you on a matter of most urgent concern regarding your latest elitist oppression of blue collar working folks like myself – the traffic calming of Point Grey road.

    Perhaps when you made this transformation, you were unaware that it would increase the length of my car trip to the tennis club from two to six blocks or that it would inconvenience my weekend sailing trips. Not only that, but when I drive to West Vancouver to visit my oppressed blue collar friends who live there, I am now forced to look at elitist road signs!

    In order to return Vancouver to being a civil city, I feel compelled to employ the considerable free time (when not at the tennis club, sailing, or visiting friends in West Vancouver) and financial resources enjoyed by all oppressed blue collar workers to campaign on behalf of a political party that delved into new lows of angry, divisive rhetoric and petty name-calling during the last campaign. If this effort fails, I may be forced to smash up some Korean shops with a baseball bat like Michael Douglas did in that movie (although I might have to hire someone to do it, my back gets sore during the winter).

    Sincerely yours, downtrodden, oppressed, west side Vancouver resident.

  9. Nice to see the usual suspects trotting out tales of Point Grey Road now being a utopian paradise where the lion lays down with the lamb and the wheelchair bound cavort in rapturous joy with the cyclist.

    The reality is, of course, quite different.

    The letter writer hits the nail on the head when he points out this whole charade was nothing more than a gift to the owners of the city’s priciest real estate. Vision has always been adept at rewarding the wealthy while cloaking it under a veil of green. The amazing thing is that people still fall for it.

    1. @ Bob:

      “…this whole charade was nothing more than a gift to the owners of the city’s priciest real estate. Vision has always been adept at rewarding the wealthy while cloaking it under a veil of green.”

      Yes, Nelson Skalbania is ecstatic.

  10. Oh, it’s so nice to see the west siders fighting over who’s more elitist. And how important their nice beach road is for whoever’s most (or least, depending on your point of view) elitist.

    Who cares about decent transit options for people who live and/or work outside of the downtown core or the west side? They can take an hour or two to get from Vancouver to Richmond, or Surrey to Burnaby, or Coquitlam to Richmond or wherever. They’re obviously not smart or green enough to live on the west side.

    And, not only that, but you have to spend millions to build bike routes on the west side with barriers and road closures and all. In east Van you can just paint a few bicycle symbols on a few roads and voila! Bike lanes for the really not elitist!

    1. “In East Vancouver you can just paint a few bicycle symbols on a few roads and voila! Bike Lanes…”

      I enjoy cycling along Adanac regularly. It is closed to through traffic at Hawkes, McLean, Commercial, Victoria, Templeton, Windermere, and Boundary. All located in East Van. I suspect this is the most used bike route in the city, and it is calmed and closed to through traffic just like Point Grey road. Elitist indeed!

    2. Jeff mentioned the Adanac bike route but there is also the Central Valley Greenway which runs primarily through East Vancouver (plus Burnaby and New Westminster) and includes barriers and road blockages and dedicated pathways as well.

      But if the point is that we should be looking to improve bike routes throughout the city, then certainly I agree.

    3. Certainly bike routes around the city need improving but you are convinently forgetting that streets on the east side have been converted to bike routes. The best example is the Central Valley Greenway on Grandview Hwy North which used to be a truck route. Now at Victoria, it is for bikes and peds, just like Pt Grey at Macdonald.

      Then there is Wall Street, which, like Pt Grey was designated to be a Scenic Road in the City’s plans from decades ago. Now it is a bike route and sooner or later will be upgraded to greenway standards.

      1. It’s true, there are routes in East Van. I apologize for my incorrect statements.

        But since I live south of Broadway and have worked in Burnaby/Richmond exclusively, I never get to see real bike lanes. Never mind creme de la creme lanes. Just some bicycle silhouettes on the street.

        Maybe one day the city of Vancouver will extend all the way to the Fraser river…

  11. I find it amusing to imagine what the response would have been if Point Grey west of Macdonald had been operating as a local residential street for many years – and was then redesignated by the City as a major commuter route! (“But think of the benefits! Your drive to the Jericho Tennis Club will be 3 blocks shorter!”)

    Vancouver, like many other cities, is in the process of establishing a basic city-wide bike route system so people do have the option of getting around the city by bicycle. The stretch of Point Grey Road converted to a bike route connects the popular Seawall route to Jericho. Even more importantly, it provides an almost flat (!!!) commuter route from the Burrard Bridge all the way to Alma Street. In a very real sense, this is useful public infrastructure like any other.

    Far from being some sort of sop to an ‘elite’, a good bike route system is also of major benefit on the affordability front. Every person who decides they can forego a second (or first) car, is saving $400 to $500 a month in after tax dollars – equivalent to knocking $75 000 off the mortgage on that 600sf condo. A nice option to have when you’re living in the most unaffordable city on the continent.

    There’s bound to be some controversy as this basic bike route system is built. But let’s keep some perspective, and give it a chance.

    1. The combination of the central valley greenway, seaside bypass, seaside, York, and Point Grey Road will be the flattest east-west bike route across the city. The route is fairly direct, almost entirely flat, and mostly free of stop signs, making it the fastest way across the city for many people to many places.

      The York and Point Grey improvements deal with the biggest problems along this route, but there will still be a few smaller problems that will limit its usefulness, especially to people who aren’t so confident in traffic on a bike.

      The problems will be that:
      – 1st Avenue between Burrard and Fir has a bit too much traffic and westbound drivers might have difficulty seeing cyclists rounding the corner near Fir. The road looks wide enough for some sort of improvement to be made within the existing road space or it could be calmed.
      – Seaside (the seawall) between Fir and Alder Bay is too narrow in parts for how busy it is and it has an awkward intersection under the Granville Bridge. Alternatively, Lamey’s Mill Road is too narrow for cars to pass safely and it has an unnecessary hill. Separating the seawall beside Granville Island would be the best fix. The entrance to Granville Island could be improved by taking a lane or two to widen the sidewalks and narrow the crosswalk.
      – Charleson would be nicer without any cars. The bus route shouldn’t be there anyway.
      – 1st Avenue between Cambie and Main has a narrow bike lane that fills with debris and that too many drivers stray into, especially when rounding the corner near Columbia. I’m not sure there’s an easy fix without encroaching on the boulevard or park.

      1. UBC is too far to attract a large cycling mode share from people living further than Kitsilano or Kerrisdale. Transit will probably continue to be the way that most people who work or study at UBC commute. Still, for people that want to cycle to UBC, the bike route along Point Grey, through Jericho, and along the Spanish Banks avoids the top of the hill along 8th Avenue and has no stop signs or intersections. This very scenic route could also use some improvement, especially better separation up the hill to UBC and adjacent to the parking along the beaches.

        The bigger group of people using Point Grey and York will probably be people commuting distances that are more typical for cycling, including trips from most of the west side to most of the employment lands in Vancouver, trips like Kitsilano to Downtown or Point Grey to Clark Drive or Commercial to Jericho. The lack of hills and intersections and conflicts with cars will make it easier and faster for more people on the west side and especially in Kitsilano to make trips to work that are less than 10 km long.

        The travel time improvement that we should expect from the lack of hills and intersections is at least 5 minutes on a 36-minute trip between Alma and Clark (comparing Point Grey/York/Seaside Bypass to 10th Avenue using the cycling tool in Google Maps). For moderately fast cyclists (who should beat Google’s slow cyclist while riding a steel bike and wearing jeans), the new easier route might mean a 24-minute trip instead of a 30-minute trip.

  12. ICBC Statistics show that over the last 5 years, with similar traffic volumes, there have been 6 times the number of cycle accidents on the affected ares of Macdoanld and 7 times the number of traffic accidents on Macdonald, as ther have been on Point Grey road. council and the mayor were quite aware of this becasue I sent the ICBC stats to them last summer, during the hearing on this, after obtaoining them from ICBC. Moreover Macdonald St unlike Point Grey road is a transit route for school children attending General Gordon elementary and Kitsilano high school. Point Grey Road never should have been closed. .

    1. The part of Macdonald Street now bearing some of the traffic from closed Point Grey Road is a two-block COMMERCIAL street with pedestrian crossings, stop signs and traffic lights. It also has a church and gas station on one side, and tennis courts in park space with an empty lot on the other side. Relatively few residential properties are impacted. Oppositely, now closed Point Grey Road is a 10-block FULLY RESIDENIAL road with park spaces and beach accesses. There is NO COMPARISON.

      1. Not surprisingly Susan you miss the point. You not only fail to refute Randey’s points, you reinforce them. As he pointed out that stretch of Macdonald has significant generators of pedestrian traffic. Those pedestrians now face dealing with increased thanks to the private drive you have been handed. But at least the creme de la creme now has ten blocks of private bliss thanks to Vision Vancouver.

      2. Bob, you mean the public has 10 blocks of safer public access bliss to expanded parks. Less Maserati traffic does not equate to fewer people wanting to get to the waterfront.

    2. I can personally recount three bicycle accidents on local public roads, one involving hospitalizations. None of those three accidents made it into ICBC’s statistics. They did not count them. That didn’t make the accidents and injuries any less real. None of those three accidents were found to be the fault of the cyclist involved.

      If you want to measure cycling accidents you should not look to a motor vehicle insurance company as your source of statistics. Two of the accidents I was involved in show up in police records, and one of those showed up in two separate hospital admissions. Those would be better data sources.

      The best data source of all would be to simply ask cyclists.

      1. jcleigh,

        You are correct; as a disclaimer, ICBC prefaces its statistics on accidents, injuries, and property damage with the statement that its data is incomplete as it does not include unreported cases. Indeed, the best method of detecting the most dangerous streets is to go to the source (the street itself and the residents of the street) to record the facts of the congested traffic as well as the anecdotal evidence of accidents, injuries and property damage — this was done by the City in the matter of closing Point Grey Road. Hence, the closure.

      2. susan smith

        It’s Jeff, sorry but I missed changing my wordpress account name in my post above.

        Re ICBC’s statistics: In one bicycle accident I was involved in, the attending police officer advised me to open a file with ICBC. The person responsible for the accident was not insured by ICBC, but ICBC are reportedly involved as they insure the roadways on behalf of the crown (as it was explained to me). This comes in to play when there is not a responsible party identified in an accident, eg a hit and run.

        ICBC directly refused to open a file when I spoke to them, as they reviewed the police report and said since I knew who was responsible, they had no need to be involved. I was free to go after the responsible party myself, at my expense. They were standing down. And the statistics for that particular intersection show that.

    3. There where no cycling collisions on Macdonand north of 4th. South of Pt Grey, Alma has about as many cycling collisions as Macdonald. If traffic is using Macdonald instead of Alma, then it is pretty much a wash based on the collision numbers.

      3rd has more cycling collisions than Pt Grey so hopefully people will use Pt Grey instead now that it does not have the speeding agressive traffic on it anymore. Without cross streets, Pt Grey is obviously a much safer bicycle route.

      One should not be surprised when other people don’t pay attention to illogical nonsense.

    4. Randey, shall I pull up ICBC stats on larger, far more heavily travelled arterials than McDonald? And the city’s perfectly reasonable responses such as pedestrian /cyclist-operated crossing signals, corner bulges and mid-block crosswalks?

      We could start a war of stats over these rather tame “arterials.”

  13. West side discussion about who is an endangered elite and nobody has invoked creme de la creme argument yet? Hmmm…Can’t wait for that UBC SkyTrain extension…That one is going to be absolutely hilarious…

    1. As expected he’s getting some very angry responses from people who seem to think:
      1. the closure is actually impacting drivers in any significant way
      2. the money spent on the project is more than a drop in the road maintenance bucket
      3. all money should be spent supporting drivers
      4. all business is conducted by drivers
      5. cyclists don’t have jobs
      6. cyclists don’t pay property taxes
      7. cyclists never buy anything
      8. cyclists think they’re better than everyone else

      One hopes they represent a tiny minority because if that’s not the case we could be in for some really big backward steps in the coming years.

    2. Thanks for the link to this Vancitybuzz, Stephen. Chis wrote an excellent article. For those interested, please the comments in the blog-response to the article.

  14. It’s telling that negative reaction to the Point Grey Road closure is becoming progressively more shrill and disconnected. This usually means you are losing the middle. The NPA would be wise to avoid this issue come fall.

  15. Jeff, sorry to hear about your bicycle accident and ICBC not reporting it. According to
    Bob, your accident never happened.

  16. This has been quite entertaining, so thanks to everyone for that. it does rather feel like I’ve just ate a bunch of junk food, however.

  17. Even though we are now saddled with this expensive 3-months-a-year albatross it is heartening to see Vision Vancouver have to back down from their aim to bulldoze a bike path through Haddon Park. Chalk up one lonely win for what the community wants.

  18. I walked Point Grey road many times .. and walked it yesterday with the road closure in effect and construction of bike paths and greening ongoing.

    The only questions I have are:

    a) why did this not happen earlier ?
    b) why are there still cars on this road AT ALL ?
    c) why don’t we do more of this elsewhere ?
    d) did house values on this street and north of 4th come up $100,000, $250,000 or $500,000 in value due to traffic calming ?
    e) what is not to like here ?

  19. The guy who wrote this letter is an idiot. He doesn’t even have the courage to state his name. I would love to debate him face to face.