Bit of coup, this – not so much the Herzog and de Meuron design for the new VAG, but the announcement in the New York Times ArtsBeat that came in as a News Alert.

Adds a level of prestige to the whole thing. Now, about the money.
Bit of coup, this – not so much the Herzog and de Meuron design for the new VAG, but the announcement in the New York Times ArtsBeat that came in as a News Alert.

Adds a level of prestige to the whole thing. Now, about the money.
Speaking of that design, though, I’m surprised and impressed. For the first time since this process began, I find myself actually looking forward to a positive result. Of course, I don’t have the kind of pocket change they’re going to need to get it built.
by the way, there are a lot more photos to see at vancity buzz: http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/09/new-vancouver-art-gallery-design/
In particular, the rain-covered public space seems really cool – something I could see drawing a lot of people to the gallery during the day and making it a real meeting place, and truly addressing one of the biggest problems a big institutionalized structure on that space could have caused. At the same time as being very vertical, it’s also a ground-oriented structure, and it looks like you can see through windows into the exhibition spaces (hopefully that’s not a security concern). All really neat stuff.
Boxes in the sky. Perhaps this design is the bombastically literal interpretation of rectagular exhibition spaces. It seems clumsy and inelegant. The wooden cladding — and that’s all it is, supposedly an interpretation of the much, much smaller wooden Edwardian houses of yore, long torn down — will weather very poorly. Stained, faded, leaky and warped boxes in the sky. The wood should have been placed inside. Massive laminated timber structures framing a soaring skylit atrium would have been a more apropos interpretation of Vancouver for the public spaces in this project. And where is the most powerful, deeply ingrained and original regional artistic identity of all? Coast Salish influence is the most glaring and arrogant ommision. Bits and pieces may be cool. The sunken garden. A cafe. A plaza that converts a utilitarian hunk of asphalt into an expanded though permanently shaded public plaza. But the whole still resembles a pile of parts not really coalesing into a satisfying, delightful and deeply meaningful contribution to Vancouver.
The process seemed closed. Michael Green has already expressed his critical opinion. What silent thoughts are going through the minds of John and Patricia Patkau? Bing Thom? Other local architects who are perfectly capable of designing in accordance with a curatorial program but who understand Vancouver and the West Coast and can give more than boxes in the sky? Where was the published architectural discourse, the public consultation, the design competition? Now all that is possible is reactionary criticism to accompany the plea for another quarter billion dollars.
Well, opinions are free, and I’ve held the same concerns about this process from the very start, but the design is unique and I believe a much better representation of West Coast than the typical Vancouverist condo. And of course it’s only wooden cladding – otherwise it really would be leaky. Not that the concrete courthouse built by our very own Arthur Erickson has weathered nicely or ever was a building to be admired.
As for a lack of Aboriginal involvement, it may be somewhat tokenist, but I have no doubt that images of totem poles were part of the inspiration for this design.
Wood construction is not leaky if correctly designed and built. There are plenty of leaky concrete towers. The problem is shoddy workmanship and oversight, not the use of wood (or concrete).
MB – on top of al that, the prompting for the public – us – to “step up” now with our $$ rings a bit hollow, especially after both so-called “public” events were not free at all. Paying to go to an unveiling? Not the right message, IMO.
If this is any indication of the elitist quality of the thing, I shudder to think what the cost to the great unwashed will be to enter the new VAG.
As someone else recently said, Mr. Rennie’s notion of a distributed set of community-based galleries is indeed starting to look pretty good. And perhaps at least half the $350 million could go to artists or facilities for artists. Or invested for an endowment for such, etc., etc.
Double check that “elitist” talk. What are the face prices for a ticket to a Canucks game? Somehow I doubt a membership to a new VAG ($75) would rival nucks season tickets ($650-1400).
Heck, the new VAG could be covered by half a BC place reno.
Excellent point, Mezz. But that doesn’t excuse the utter lack of open architectural and urban design discourse. It was a closed shop private process for an important public building.
And the anything-but-condo treatment referred to above by Tessa doesn’t mean we have to accept a design that is anything but timeless and loved for its elegance.
I didn’t mean to say anything but a condo would suffice, but that it stands out among the landscape in a positive way. More to that: I think any building that is loved for generations will generate mixed opinions at the outset. After all, anything that doesn’t do that must be bland. I don’t know if it’ll be loved for its elegance, but I do believe this has the potential to be a very treasured Vancouver building.
@MB, this public building isn’t a hospital or government offices, it’s an art gallery. I’m no artist, but I would put originality, sense of place and a little controversy up there as important design elements.
And I would worry about extensive public input regarding a building that I think should have originality, sense of place and a little controversy. You’d aim for annoying the least amount of people.
We might wind up with an art museum like seattle’s:
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I so far have little reason to doubt the VAG board and they process they used to come to the conceptual ideas.
“In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.” Harry Lime, The Third Man 1949
My favourite movie.
“Look down there Holly…”
Is this . . .
“And turning toward the window, should say:
“That is not it at all,
That is not what I meant, at all.”
. . . how Madame Bartlett reacted to Herzog & de Meuron’s VAG proposal privately?
Click . . .
http://www.bartleby.com/198/1.html
. . . for the full story!
I don’t have a strong FOR or AGAINST opinion. But, does it look like a giant Lego chipmunk to anyone else? Maybe it’s just last night’s dinner messing with my head.
Icame across this astute observation on John Atkin’s blog:
“The simple fact of keeping the short cuts across the site that people use everyday as they leave or head to SkyTrain will help animate the new square. Arthur Erickson envisioned something like this for Robson Square but the transit station which the sunken space under Robson Street was designed for never materialized.”
http://topofmydesk.com/2015/09/30/a-very-vancouver-building/
Yuri – what a fan he is! Even modernist fanTrevor Boddy was stretched to find anything really wonderful to comment on other than the (questionable) use of wood cladding. He strongly suggested they ratchet down the so-called iconic aspects, apparently deemed necessary to raise the profile and therefore $$. Good suggestion.
I am sorry but that is a very unattractive building. It looks like something off the cover art of a science fiction novel. It is odd that mid-century modern seems to be de rigeur for interior design, yet form follows function seems to have gone right out the window in cultural achitecture these days.
Is it my imagination or are stacked boxes to this decade what twisting towers were to the last ? How about something timeless and not the latest fad? LA’s new Broad is a far more pleasing design: thebroad.org
My response to the design is somewhat ambivalent, I’m not yet pulled strongly one way or another as the few images I’ve seen don’t yet give me a full sense of the form. Yet the highlight image did make me recall a robot called V.I.N.CENT. in the 1979 film The Black Hole. My mind apparently likes to anthropomorphize forms.
https://monkeyblogmonkeydo.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/vincent-beat-up-bob-black-hole.jpg
New VAG Design: The Emperor Has No Clothes
About 5 years ago, as the City’s Senior Architect/Development Planner (since retired), I was a contributor to City Council’s decision to the give up the Georgia Street-fronting portion of the Larwill Park site to the Vancouver Art Gallery, arguing that an inspired, stunning Gallery building design at this location would undoubtedly be the catalyst for for a revitalized Arts, Performance, Cultural, Public Institution Precinct on this stretch of Georgia St. together with Queen Elizabeth Theatre, Public Library, CBC, an adaptive re-use of the Post Office, etc.etc.
With the unveiling of the new VAG design, which some experts, politicians and other cheerleaders have raved about, I must offer (with apologies to Hans Christian Andersen) that “The Emperor Has No Clothes”. Thank goodness the presentation of the proposal pointedly cites it as “conceptual”, for if this design is implemented in its present form it will be an embarrassment to Vancouver. I understand why backers must now, with its glitzy unveiling, get behind this design. What I fail to understand is how the VAG executive and its award-winning architectural team, could have so misread how this design will be perceived.
Frankly, this design is underwhelming. It needs to be a stunning, sculptural piece unto its own, provoking debate about architecture and art. Instead, we have a static, symmetrical stacking of boxes evoking puzzlement. And while the use of wood certainly can be a plus, cladding the boxes in an appliqué of wood panelling doesn’t rescue the design. The composition reminds me of a spatial relationship diagram of the various building functions, a useful design tool for sorting out and organizing three dimensionally a complex building program. But for that 3-d diagram to then become the building’s architecture…aren’t we missing a few steps in the design evolution process such as asking what imagery of Vancouver’s art and culture we want to project around the world? If it is to be boxes, what about shifting, rotating, sliding, tilting some of them to add some visual interest to the entire composition. Or better yet, pursuing an entirely different theme in the building’s massing? Lifting up the entire structure to create a public courtyard is a brilliant idea but to then surround it on all four sides by a one-storey, virtually continuous perimeter building effectively privatizes the space. To be truly public, it should open its arms expansively to one or both Georgia Street corners to graciously invite pedestrians into this covered, sunny space. I know, I know, all this would jog the present clearly logical functional planning/circulation arrangement of the various interior spaces and the security challenges of the street level exterior space. But does pure logic trump all else in this design? Indeed, how does logic play into this entire $350m exercise that puts a new gallery on a site that will not, for another 20 years, perhaps never, capture the prominence of the VAG’s present location, at the very heart of the downtown, that it now enjoys! But let’s not open that pandora’s box!
I noticed that one blogger has suggested that the design is actually a lot better than one might assume, based on the rendering. My impression is that the renderer has absolutely nailed the three-dimensional reality of the design. If this design is indeed “conceptual” there is a need to get back to the drawing board and rethink the image the VAG should convey for itself and for all Vancouverites who should be able to take pride in this building. The immediate impression one should experiences upon encountering it should be one of drama, loving or even hating it, but not one of puzzlement or equivocation or pizza boxes. Herzog & de Mueron is entirely capable of delivering such drama as they have elsewhere and Vancouver deserves no less. Let them have another go at it.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/RK_0908_9604_Spirit_of_Haida_Gwaii_the_Jade_Canoe.jpg/800px-RK_0908_9604_Spirit_of_Haida_Gwaii_the_Jade_Canoe.jpg
The upper wooden structure (for this proportion) remind me of this coast Salish hat.
The structure apparently resonates more as an inukshuk or even a Totem with some other,
While some relate it with a Pagoda, or a giant Chinese character.
Bottom line, all that represents us or our history.
The wooden clad will weather, and that is a good effect to work around…You will see many wooden building in Europe looking for that aspect:
It is also good to see a building celebrating the main resource material of the region.
The cladding of the tall monolithic building (reminiscent of Black Tust) is sufficient to make it standing apart of the forest of glass tower
Its square vertical shape, integrate it elegantly in its dense urban environment, and converse very well with the Canada post building.
the un-cluttering and de-mineralization of the QE Plaza will provide all the required backdrop underlying the majesty of the building coming from Georgia westward, while hiding the least interesting part of the QE theater and the Canada Post building.
(from the gallery window, we would then also see a “forest canopy” looking downward providinga good peaceful, relaxing and apropos atmosphere).
The “levelled” QE plaza comes to meet a covered plaza on the VAG site (an arrangement reminiscent of the European medieval covered market hall) , both spaces are complementary and work well together, open the gallery to public and allow the building to work at street level. (as noticed by Atkins, existing path of desire to skytrain access seems preserved -however, the levelling of the QE plaza create new ones- all contributing to the success of the public space, and opening of the building to the population)
A plaza is a place to be, and an sunken-or for that matter not at street level- one is deemed to be a failure,( and that is also one reason why the QE plaza is not working as it should)…but what the proposal has to offer instead is a sunken garden.
A garden is a place to retreat, (great cultural place have that sort of element, starting by the Moma), A sunken garden isolate the place of its surrounding (not only visually, but also auditorily ) : A great attention to make it works well.
In short a great and promising proposal.
Most who have made the Pagoda/Inuksuk analogy have done it in a derisive manner … I tend to agree that it certainly could be considered a positive one. I worry that the limits being imposed on the building, combined with its lofty ambitions, mean that it won’t be able to be as successful as it might be.
In some ways I wonder if, had the presentation simply said ‘we are making use of one of the most iconic symbols of BC – stacking the program to create an Inuksuk’ whether they would have gained a great deal more sympathy?
“My response to the design is somewhat ambivalent . . .” Then please Monsieur Bleuniou let me relieve your quandary!
Clearly you have a wide experience of the urban condition.
Good city design, good urban design, is about thoughtful relationships, interwoven space and form: similar to family, work and other human endeavours: Champs Champs-Élysées, Paris, Regent Street, London or Paseo de la Reforma, DF.
Historically all great cities try to elevate their main thoroughfare as a symbol of the city’s creative prowess.
In that regard VAG’s proposed thingie on Georgia Street, Vancouver’s Main, putting aside all irrational pandering (i.e. wood glued too concrete) is a phuccin’ joke. Capiche!
The design looks great to me.
As a member of the VAG I am very disappointed but I’m not surprised. Herzog & de Meuron adapted the Tate Modern. It was already there, they designed the reno., yet even that has a streetscape that is completely unfriendly – just walls. As is their de Yong museum in San Francisco, with stark rusted steel walls all around and a tiny dark and utterly dismal entrance. In Barcelona their Forum is surrounded by impenetrable metal and panel walls and is unlike just about the entire rest of Barcelona, it is devoid of people because it’s completely unwelcoming.
All these are ‘destination’ buildings. They stand alone and blatantly do not blend in to their surroundings.
The streetscapes of all of them are ice cold and people avoid them. I don’t think this is what Vancouver needs or wants.
As for the stacked wooden boxes; they look like a silly cliché. Irregular boxes are currently trendy in architecture but this will pass. Wood exteriors do not age gracefully and require expensive maintenance to upkeep in acceptable condition. Inside, wood can look and be excellent. Raw or even rough wood has good sound damping qualities.
I’d like to be positive but I am completely underwhelmed and fear for the cold streetscape this designer repeats on building.
I love how people are up and arms about the Art Gallery when this bog-standard glass giant tower dominates the entry to the city from the Burrard Bridge.
http://www.burrardplace.ca
Kunstler loves it! LOL. http://kunstler.com/eyesore-of-the-month/october-2015/
Another Swiss architectural firm designed a strikingly similar building for Russia.
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/10/new-vancouver-art-gallery-design-russian-museum/