May 10, 2013

City Conversation: Where will the traffic go? – May 16

Where will the traffic go? The viaducts, traffic, and neighbourhoods

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Next month it’s expected that council will consider whether to remove the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts, replacing them with new, ground-level roads and creating the opportunity for new housing for thousands of families, large parks, a restored False ViaductCreek shoreline, bike and walking paths, art and cultural facilities. But some residents of Strathcona worry that traffic through their neighbourhood will increase, and others fear an impact on a community garden.
City-wide vision vs. neighbourhood values. To explore the issues are Brian Jackson, Vancouver’s General Manager of Planning and Development, and Pete Fry, president of the Strathcona Residents Association. We hope to have someone from Cottonwood Gardens. Then it’s your turn to weigh in. Feel free to bring your lunch.

When: Thu, 16 May 2013 / 12:30 PM

Where: SFU Vancouver, Harbour Centre 515 West Hastings, Room 2270

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  1. In urban areas, traffic expands and contracts to fill the space available. Phil Goodwin et al published the definitive work on this in 1998 – and it is cited in this wikipedia article
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearing_traffic
    The fears of residents are understandable – but misplaced. There is now extensive experience of taking down similar structures. Why would Vancouver be different from San Francisco?

    1. On the professional side (if not the general public), a lot of the doom-and-gloom congestion predictions probably come from the way the 4-step model works. As trip generation is traditionally based on demographic/economic factors, its not sensitive to anticipated congestion in terms of trip making, and tend to be peak hour only. So if you halved the capacity on every road in the entire region, you’d still have as many trips being made. You see people making shorter trips and more trips by transit, but you’d also see crazy amounts of congestion; far more than you would in real life, because people would make less trips or shift their time of travel.
      So, I agree that the congestion probably won’t emerge to the levels feared, although there will probably be some impacts on adjacent corridors (e.g. per Table 1 in Goodwin, although in a few cases the parallel corridors also dropped). However, I’m not sure that’s the end of the story. Given that travel is a derived demand, I don’t think it makes sense conceptually to look at traffic changes in isolation, but rather in conjunction with how they affect the primary demand (i.e. activity participation for work, school, social, or why ever else someone is travelling in the first place). Why are people making these “extra” trips in the first place? Why are they making them at the peak period? The problem with using aggregate statistics is that they lose all sense of “why”. Aggregate travel volumes are simply the sum of millions of individual people making their own choices, so its important to understand why they’re behaving the way they are.
      For example, its obviously faster for a car driver to get to work during offpeak than peak. Any yet, many people still want to travel at rush hour, hence why it continues to exist. Clearly, there is some benefit to people from making this trip at this particular time of day that they perceive exceeds the negative impact resulting from the longer travel times they experience. As much as people hate rush hour, they still choose to travel during this time. Why? Well, maybe you need to interact with your coworkers a lot and so you need to all be there at the same time? Maybe you’re a single parent and working during regular hours means you only have to pay for a few hours of after-school day care, and not for a full-time nanny? Is it because “my boss forces me to work these hours, so I have no choice”?. Well, obviously your boss sees some benefit for your company resulting from you being present for you work activity at those times. You in turn can quit and find a job closer to home or with more flexible hours and cut down on travel time, but it probably just pays a lot less. So you’re just accepting the traffic congestion in exchange for the higher salary and the lifestyle it in turn affords.
      All that being said, I don’t have any inherent problem with road dieting, lane reduction, tolling etc. in general, and in some cases am pretty keen on it. But I’m a bit hesitant to immediately embrace the “traffic will just sort itself out” attitude unless there’s a carrot being provided that’s at least as large as the stick being used, because I think we sometimes forget about the “why” of travel in the first place, and how it spills over into the rest of our lives. For all the people that we “demand manage” off our roads, we need to understand what their activity-participation behavioral responses will be, and what the impacts of these are. For example, when New York had its transit strike a few years ago, and the traffic chaos didn’t emerge, you inevitably got the “its not that bad, I guess we don’t need transit” type of responses from some corners. Again, same flaw. There are negative impacts, they’re just presenting themselves in not as congestion but instead in terms of lots days at work/economic productivity/wages, scheduling hardships, temporarily deferred activities etc. If transit was useless, why did so many people start using it again once the strike was over? Same thing for the viaducts in the case of the Olympics. In both these cases, people actually had to put up with the change, so they had “perfect information” about the alternatives in that sense, not just what they believed to be the impact of the alternatives. And yet, many switched back to their previous patterns. Why?
      In the context of the viaducts, what may happen?
      People shift to transit? What service improvements are being implemented in conjunction? There’s not much spare capacity. Are people switching because “wow, I never realized how convenient transit is!” or because “well, I don’t have much of a choice because both transit and driving take so long and its going to cut into the time i spend with my family after work either way”?
      Businesses realize they can buy their employees transit passes and save on parking, so people make the switch voluntarily? Great! Whatever traffic impacts are incurred are still acceptable in exchange for the advantages of remaining in their current location.
      Businesses get fed up and relocate because employees start looking for jobs elsewhere because they hate the commute? Are they moving closer to where the employees live (good), or simply changing existing transit users to car uses because they’re in an office park (bad). If this causes industries to disperse that benefit a lot from clustering (e.g. there’s no other place in the region where they can all find office space so close together), how does this affect agglomeration economies and labour productivity (and by extension tax revenues)? Bad!
      Obviously there’s lots more responses (time of day change, people move closer to work etc.), each with their own pros/cons, but you see what I’m getting at here. So yeah, I just think there’s more consideration needed. And of course, the transportation issues are only one impact (albeit a big one) that need to be considered. I’m not trying to take away from other issues/ideas such as what do we do improve the area if we get rid of the viaduct (or what could we still improve if we keep them)? But that probably warrants a different post.

  2. We have been talking traffic taming forever: its becoming risible. Now make traffic movement as difficult as possible. Remove both viaducts for a start.
    Concurrently begin reducing the need for movement by . . .
    http://www.theyorkshirelad.ca/1yorkshirelad/vancouver.re-boot/Vancouver.re-boot.html
    Incrementalizing amenities around Vancouver’s historical neighbourhoods. Getting there is not the point: being there is!
    Obviously this cannot be achieved immediately so start by introducing on line classes at UBC, SFU and all other academic and crowding centers that cause the nightmare over crowding every fall.
    I thought some of the new Skytrain centers were beginning to attract offices: decentalizing sounds good to me!
    South Fraser LRT I can understand: Broadway tunneling NOT!

  3. The one test the City of Vancouver uses to make its case for viaduct removal is what supposedly happened during the 2010 Winter Olympics when the viaducts were closed. Well, as a long term resident of International Village on Abbott Street I can tell you what happened: despite a significant overall traffic reduction entering the downtown peninsula, there was a multifold INCREASE in through traffic using Keefer, Pender and Abbott streets and other local streets in the Chinatown community that, unlike Strathcona, do not have traffic diversion and calming improvements. This impact was felt throughout the day and night, seriously impacting livability in already challenged residential environments.
    The Olympic “test case” is a complete fallacy. I cannot see how removing these major city-serving “bridges” would be a benefit to local communities and downtown businesses anymore than removing any other of the bridges would be – Lions Gate, Cambie, Granville or Burrard. Reconfigure lane allocation, sure, demolish, no!

  4. As a long-term resident of Chinatown, I agree with Frank.
    Once they’re torn down, there’s no going back.
    We’ve got to test it and reuse if the traffic can be diverted. There’s no emergency for the viaducts removal – let’s be creative instead of destructive.

  5. It is rare that I disagree with Frank Ducote but this is one of those instances. It is quite valid for Strathcona and Chinatown residents to be concerned but part and parcel of viaducts removal is a package of surface road upgrades, not the least of which is implementation of the Malkin Connector to take the load off Prior St. But so long as the viaducts exist, motorists will be encouraged to take their cars downtown. Remove the viaducts and they’ll have to start thinking of alternative modes.
    This initiative is also about more than how to handle vehicular movement, although that is clearly the most important component. Surface road adjustments and configuring is being thoroughly considered to keep through traffic out of adjacent neighbourhoods and we all must insist that neighbourhoods are NOT negatively impacted. But removing the viaducts is also about re-visioning this part of the downtown for the benefit of all Vancouverites as well as, finally, connecting Chinatown (and International Village) to False Creek.
    Yes, let’s ensure an upgraded surface road system is designed such that neighbourhoods are protected from through traffic but let’s not miss such a grand opportunity to create a meaningful new swath of Public Realm and heal a scar that has disfigured East False Creek since 1974, when this ill-conceived, elevated highway was opened.

  6. As someone that lives in the area affected by the viaducts I always question that says removing them will connect Chinatown/DTES etc to False Creek…. How? they are connected now, not a single road is cut off by the viaducts. By placing the road at ground level you will create a much larger barrier then what exists today. Just like Georgia currently severs D/T know you are talking about replicating that here. The viaducts isn’t a barrier now, what’s a barrier is that there is nothing there to bring people. If the area is built up people will travel between the areas easier with the viaducts in place then w/o them.

  7. The fundamental problem with this whole conversation is that it’s not really providing a proper set of alternatives. We’re asked to choose between the A) “viaducts remain, no improvements whatsoever” and B) “viaducts removed, significant improvements to the area”. In reality, we should be comparing option B) against option C), which is “viaducts remain, but other improvements also made”. Essentially, the best it can be with the viaducts in place competes with he best this area can be without them, and the impacts are assessed on this basis. The current process is uncannily similar to what the BC MoT does to justify its highway projects. “Do Nothing” is compared against “Highway Improvement”, which obviously performs better, and then is used to justify the project. No where is there an opportunity to say yes to transportation improvements, but different and better thought out improvements than just highway expansion.
    As JoeJustJoe mentioned, demolishing the viaducts isn’t going to make this area suck any less by itself, its the improvements that accompany it that actually provide the benefits. But they’re trying to pretend these are one and the same, as though its inherently impossible to have improvements in place with the viaducts remaining. There’s examples worldwide, and even within our own city (Granville Island) of where we can have vibrant public spaces with an overhead structure. Why do we insist of ignoring this? There’s a good article in Spacing about some of the problems with what is being proposed in lieu of the viaducts.
    http://spacing.ca/vancouver/2013/04/29/will-vancouver-replace-a-freeway-with-a-stroad/
    Right now we’re asked to pick between the ugly status quo and an underwhelming alternative.

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