First there was this piece in The New Yorker – guaranteed to shake you up:
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Then, a light-hearted (ha, ha) response from Grist:
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Which didn’t amuse Revkin at the New York Times:
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Read ’em all, especially the one that started the tiff.
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FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real !
Yes, life is risky and full of possibilities, good and bad. Some need ultra-high protection, ideally paid for by others. Some are OK to live in the moment and then deal with the crisis at hand. Much like the fear mongering about global “warming” , now exposed as untrue due to data manipulation, extreme scenarios have to used to shake more money from the tax payers for more research, more preparedness, more risk reduction .. all in the name of “science” for stuff we cannot control, such as the weather, climate, solar rays or underground magma movements.
More on this topic, also referred to as ” climate gate” ie data manipulation to get taxation schemes going: http://go-galt.org/climategate.html
Governments of curse buy into this fear to not let any good crisis go to waste to prove to the citizen that only big government can protect them.
I say: enough of this fear mongering. Let’s focus on today’s problems, such as excessive debt, rather than the world’s temperature in the year 2115 that maybe up 0.5 degrees, +/1 2 degree +/- 100 years.On a related note, some folks also ” believe” this highest debt in the world per capita of any sub-national government is no problem whatsoever:
http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/with-twice-the-debt-of-california-ontario-is-now-the-worlds-most-indebted-sub-sovereign-borrower
Yeah, screw the our kids and grandkids! We got problems right now!
You really need to find some better sources Thomas. Believing that humans are not impacting the climate; believing that scientists are getting rich doing research while oil companies are going broke due to lack of subsidies; believing that the denial-manufactured ‘climategate’ had any significance given all the independent reviews that determined that it didn’t; are all denial characteristics. You are denying science, and given that the Latin root of science means ‘knowledge’ you should think about what the opposite of knowledge is. It isn’t something to celebrate. At the same time, not all deniers are ignorant; some are politically motivated and want to use this issue to push their own agendas.
Also note that you are calling massive debt a concern, while very recently you have been posting here calling for more municipal transit investment using currently cheap money, and more private real estate investment as a way to get rich. When did debt become a concern to you?
Two aphorisms come to mind.
1. Never underestimate the power of denial.
2. There are none so deaf as those who will not hear.
Of course humans have an impact. Warming has started 10,000+ years ago. To what degree humans play a role in “warming” is unclear, though, especially to what % is utterly unknown. Sun plays a major role: http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-science-now-settled
Is CO2 cause, or effect of more warming ?
Climate science, to a large degree, is not science. It is a religion, usually of atheists believing in nothing else besides the power of man over nature.
I am totally ok with energy reduction, energy efficiencies, less pollution, road tolls, more subways or cleaner air .. but “climate change” by biking more or pissing away billions of taxpayers’ money on expensive solar schemes or wind energy, give me a break !
Instead we see bullying or “inquisitions” such as this one here n respected climate activists like Bjorn Lomborg of Denmark: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/19/green-bullies-nix-bjorn-lomborgs-australian-consensus-centre/
I appreciate this view is not shared in academia, but by working folks paying taxes.
Thomas:
Actually, the degree to which humans impact warming is pretty clear. The precise percentage is subject to confidence levels, but a lot more is known that you make out.
The sun could play a major role. Trouble is, the sun is cooling when the temperature is rising. And likewise, solar rays are going in the opposite direction. This is pretty basic.
If you want to learn, start here:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
https://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic-rays-and-global-warming.htm
Unlike your news sites, this one provides links to and is based on actual science. And when science is understood, we don’t need to label it voodoo, or religion, or whatever.
“the sun is cooling”. I guess this is where science is disposed of. Where, on earth (pun intended) did your preacher tell you that?
Science is clear that the sun will eventually engulf the earth. Does anyone deny this?
The earth is being drawn into the sun by strong gravity. Is this denied by Bill Mckibbon, Darryl Hannah and Naomi Klein? Did I miss the National Enquirer issue?
Please let me know who is actually in a panic and wants to sell their waterfront property quickly, before it’s swallowed by the sea. Operators are standing by.
You are confusing long term effects with short term effects. You would know that if you had clicked the provided link before responding. You would even find several actual independent studies. The cooling has only been found to be in the past 40 years or so. It hasn’t had a major effect, a fraction of a degree, but it effectively blows a hole in the theory that it is the sun that is driving global warming.
I see. It’s just like coke classic. It’s back.
Do I get extra karma points if I plant a lemon tree?
Not sure, Eric, if the lemon tree has been approved for karma points by the CO2 redux committee yet. The IPCC subcommittee on world wide plant re-growth has merely shortlisted it, to my knowledge, and Turkey has objected due to the impact on its lemon production.
Approved thus far are only vouchers, one per lemon tree, to drive 1000 km per pickup truck.
By the way, where are the climate redux awards for Canada’s boreal and evergreen forests, the highest number of trees in the world per capita ?